Describe the Look: An Interview with DESCRIBE THE NIGHT Costume Designer Vasilija Zivanic

Last week, I (Casey Berner, Project Coordinator) was lucky enough to sit down with Vasilija “Vasi” Zivanic, the costume designer of Describe the Night, to get a look into how she creates the costumes and looks for each show.

Casey [CB]: Walk us through your process—when you first get hired for a show, how do you approach the script and initial thoughts?

Vasi [VZ]: I’m always very curious and excited to read the play. I isolate myself—shut off the phone and everything, almost like meditation—and I read. There’s always a word or a line that triggers the ideas, the visuals, and I’m waiting to find that word. And that’s where the visuals come in. For me that silence, to really bond with the work, is crucial.

CB: Do you remember what the word was for Describe the Night?

VZ: “Too much memory makes a man weak.” When I read that—[Vasi here pulls out her notebook]. There was another… “I don’t know what is true”? Something like that, I wrote it down. [She begins to flip through a small notebook, with notes and sketches on DTN]

CB: Oh, do you get a notebook for every show?

VZ: Yes—I scribble in it and then go back and underline [she laughs]. I read in segments and make my notes. Then when I make that bond, that connection, I start to see it visually. That trigger is very important- It’s intuitive, and I see it all visually. Then I start to compare my notes with the director. And for me it was that “Too much memory makes a man weak.”

[she looks at copies of the sketches]

I come from Eastern Europe, so I love Kafka, and this play is so close to that. I could really understand—it’s like no man’s land—I could relate to it on different levels. [she looks at the photo cover for her sketches]

VZ: This is something else that’s important for me, finding the photo cover. For this, you don’t really know who’s laying there—are they alive or dead, are they resting, what? And with the boots, it connects to costumes but also to the world. Like Kafka: is it real, or is it a rotting room full of memories?

CB: For those of us who have never seen a costume sketch before: what are we looking at?

VZ: It’s a communication piece. It helps—and should help—distinguish character. Even on this page: [she indicates the first sketch, of Isaac Babel and Nikolai Yezhov in 1920]

VZ: You have two soldiers in the same uniform, but you can see how their personality, thoughts, experiences distinguish how they wear their clothes. For example this sketch: Isaac, he’s a writer, so I made him more free—his tie, his hat is less formal. In his carrier for his pistol, instead of a gun he’s got a pen. In a way he’s more relaxed—like the uniform would choke him and he doesn’t want to be tied up. For Steven [Yezhov] he’s more tied up. He’s more driven to power, ready to attack. And the belt—historically it’d be brown, but we decided to make it black, make it harsher. That’s what I mean about the intuition—this is your introduction to the characters and how you relate to them.

Like Kafka: is it real, or is it a rotting room full of memories?


[The next sketch, of old Nikolai in the ‘08s]: I based him on Tito. He was a leader, he died in the 80s—like a type of Catsro. Because I grew up looking at him on TV in former Yugoslavia, that image is carved in my brain. And when I read the play, I kept thinking, “I know this guy! Why do I know this guy?” And then I just woke up and realized, Tito! And I remembered his medals—and because Nikolai is 90, I wanted to make it more surreal, more exaggerated. Under the coat he’s wearing a union suit [she laughs], you know, old people pajamas? And those have the medals, because he doesn’t want to give up the power, the entitlement. I wanted to make it more heightened, more surreal.

[Yevgenia, young and old]: Blanka and I—we looked through so many dresses, so many choices, but for us both the feeling has to be right. So for her, something remote from this world, demure, intellectual. And also I wanted to soften her in relation to the stage; it’s all monochromatic, so I wanted to make her an accent in a pale red, but then when I rendered I gave her splashes of deep red, like blood, to give the audience a sense of what’s coming. Then in the script she’s so old. But there’s that human aspect and something mystical in how she predicts the future. I wanted to keep that link between old and young. So she’s got this feeling of dignity to her, but also very dark. She’s in an Eastern European house dress, always closed up, covered up, layered. She’s not opening up anymore. And then the hair—I want to make sure the audience knows it’s the same person, so her hair when she’s old has the same shape as when she’s young.

CB: What happens next with these sketches?

VZ: Once I figure it out, I do a lot of historical research, and when I understand the details and history, that’s when I start to deconstruct. Then Blanka and I talk, and I let her “This is how it should look historically, but this is how far away from that I think we can take it.” We try to find balance and respect for both worlds. And that’s when I do the sketches, when we decide on the concept. Then when they’re approved, I make technical sketches. For the ones that get built, I’ll make flats.  First we have a mockup fitting, then later fit them in the real fabric.

CB: You’ve worked with the Wilma HotHouse several times now. How does having that relationship with the company affect your work as a designer?

VZ: It feels like a home—actually, the Wilma really is my American home. I really love them all—I call them my muses. And it really does help me! I know their talents and I know them privately, and I try to keep in my what they like to wear in their lives—even in a period piece! I think it’s really important to feel at home in what they wear. They’re the ones up on stage for an hour, two hours, so my job as a designer, I need to make them comfortable and make them believe in what they’re wearing. That’s where knowing them helps. That for me is one of the most important parts of being a costume designer. It’s not just making these fabulous pieces, there are all these elements that need to support the show and the actors. That’s important for young designers to know—it all has to support and compliment.

CB: Can I ask—what’s a place in Describe where you did something for one of the actors?

VZ: So for Ross [who plays Isaac Babel], he’s got a very dreamy personality and is a very good comedian, so when I started conceiving, I thought about how Ross would wear the military uniform. Or in making Steven’s [Nikolai Yezhov] uniform, I went with a fabric from the period but that’s also a fabric Steven would like to wear.

CB: We just started rehearsals—how will the rehearsal process change or alter your designs?

VZ: So much! I love that part. I love the designer run. And the first reading is the most important part for me. I can see how they work, and it helps with details, to really tie it all together. And you start to really see—often talking with Blanka, we’ll talk about one thing, and we start several months early so you cannot predict every detail. So it helps to clarify and to complete the characters. And every time, I’m so excited I can’t sleep! That’s why you need to really love what you do—it’s such a joy, and I can’t wait to see what else I discover.

Want to see more? We’ve got exclusive looks backstage on our Instagram (including Vasi’s sketches!) and a Q&A with DESCRIBE THE NIGHT playwright Rajiv Joseph. Check back in for more behind-the-scenes looks coming soon!

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